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[<ulrich AT cacert.org>]

Hi,

Ok ...

What do we need on this piece of paper ?

PoJAM:

   2.5  The mechanism for confirming the Parent's consent is something
that varies and is not covered by policy. The simple requirement here is
that the Assurer makes a reliable statement (CARS) that consent is
established, following these two declarations:

    The Assurer's declaration (specifically referring to Assurance Policy
1.1 part 4 AP1.1):

        This Assurance conducted according to Assurance Policy

    The member's declaration:

        I agree to the CCA 


How he gets this ?

By a 2nd piece of paper -> Parental Consent Form:

What is the essential requirement here ?
Please remember arb case a20090303.1
https://wiki.cacert.org/Arbitrations/a20090303.1
"Assurance made on an unproper form"
and the ruling   ,-)



Parental Consent Form
---------------------

Junior's Name  (as on CAP form)
DoB            (as on CAP form)
Email Address  (as on CAP form)

Parent's Name
DoB
Email Address

and the 2 addtl. clauses also on the CAP form:

* We hereby confirm that the Junior's and Parent's Information above is
both
true and correct, and request the Assurer to assure the Junior in
compliance with the
CAcert Assurance Policy.

* We agree to the CAcert Community Agreement.


signature of both, the Junior and the Parent




As more you add of bla bla, less space is available for the required info
.... ;&

So the informal can only a short summary of the info
from the ParentsKit ...
see https://wiki.cacert.org/PoJAM


conclusion:

what do you want to remove from

> Membership of the CAcert Community is FREE OF CHARGE and about the 
> usage of certificates, THE VERIFICATION AND establishing of identity, 
> membership and reliability of each Member to participate in our 
> web-of-Trust. We do this primarily by the CAcert Assurance Programme 
> (CAP), in which Assurers verify government-issued photo identity 
> documents in a face to face meeting according to Assurance Policy.

or

> THE FREE Membership of the CAcert Community is about the usage of 
> certificates AS WELL AS VERIFICATION and the establishing of identity, 
> membership and reliability of each Member to participate in our 
> web-of-Trust. We do this primarily by the CAcert Assurance Programme 
> (CAP), in which Assurers verify government-issued photo identity 
> documents in a face to face meeting according to Assurance Policy.

to get "liability is accepted" in ?



btw. there is a deadline in completing this form ...
I have to print a couple of ParentsKit's and Forms _before_
Monday, before starting to Cebit  ,-)


regards, uli   ;-)


-----Original Message-----
From: Bernhard Fröhlich 
[mailto:bernhard AT cacert.org]
 
Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 11:41 PM
To: Ulrich Schroeter
Cc: 
cacert-education AT lists.cacert.org;
 'Ian G'
Subject: Re: FW: Parental Consent Form v0.14 (Assurance of Minors (RE:
Assurance von Minderjährigen))


ulrich AT cacert.org
 schrieb:
> this was a proposal from the German mailing list ... => v15 did you 
> noticed this ?!?
>   

I would miss one (IMHO) important point, that is that by joining CAcert 
liability is accepted. Reading the text below as a non-techie parent I'd 
probably first say "Ahh, no problem, of course I'll accept a free 
beer..." and afterwards "why didn't you tell me that there's liability 
included?"...

I admit, I'm a bad PR guy, I always prefer to tell people the potential 
problems in advance instead of selling free beer. :-)

Ted
;)

> regards, uli   ;-)
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Harald Beck 
> [mailto:beck AT jura.uni-tuebingen.de]
> Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 12:12 PM
> To: 
> cacert-de AT lists.cacert.org
> Subject: Re: Parental Consent Form v0.14 (Assurance of Minors (RE:
> Assurance von Minderjährigen))
>
>
> Mein Vorschlag mal sinngemäß auf die Schnelle übersetzt in zwei 
> Varianten:
>
> Membership of the CAcert Community is FREE OF CHARGE and about the 
> usage of certificates, THE VERIFICATION AND establishing of identity, 
> membership and reliability of each Member to participate in our 
> web-of-Trust. We do this primarily by the CAcert Assurance Programme 
> (CAP), in which Assurers verify government-issued photo identity 
> documents in a face to face meeting according to Assurance Policy.
>
>
> THE FREE Membership of the CAcert Community is about the usage of 
> certificates AS WELL AS VERIFICATION and the establishing of identity, 
> membership and reliability of each Member to participate in our 
> web-of-Trust. We do this primarily by the CAcert Assurance Programme 
> (CAP), in which Assurers verify government-issued photo identity 
> documents in a face to face meeting according to Assurance Policy.
>
>
> LG
> Harald
>

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