Policy-Discussion

[Jens Paul <cacert AT canyonsport.de>]

Hi!

> Which reminds me ... Cebit is coming up.  It's the biggest 
> show, partly because there is a good strong pool of German 
> Assurers willing to brave the technochaos of Hannover.
>
> Who is organising it?
>   

It is "organized" by someone called Jürgen (don't know him yet). I tried 
to contact him 2 or 3 times during the last weeks but never got a reply 
on my mails. Others told me that they haven't had success either. It 
seems that there hasn't been much organization yet. Till last week there 
was only a german wiki entry saying that CAcert will have a booth and a 
list of a few assurers. This week some people added themself and some 
information to think about to that page, but as it sems, without 
actually be able to talk to Jürgen. So right now we have some 
information adding on the wiki and the information that we have a booth 
(but don't know the booth number yet) and that's it. In my opinion a 
pretty bad organization till now (what I see from outside, maybe Jürgen 
did a lot behind the scenes, but nobody seems to know). And only german 
information so no non-german (OK, Philipp as an Austrian) assurers yet 
(how comes ....).

The Assurers are all waiting for informations about travelling, 
sleeping, tickets, ...

Personally I booked train tickets, hotel, etc. by myself. So why I am 
"on the safe side" on that area, I fear that my personal investment of 
almost 1500€ was for a pretty unsuccessful event. As there are no 
informations yet, Henrik couldn't start any PR, etc. Now it's only two 
weeks two go and I wonder how this event could become a success ...

Because of this we (Philipp, Henrik, Dagmar, I) already discussed about 
an emergency plan if the lack of information continues. We will be able 
to be at least "present" over there, but hopfefully we can have more 
than that.

If I'd repeat myself: That's exactly the lack of management I mentioned 
earlier .... everyone can be an event manager and no one is responssible 
for checking the work done by this event manager or the information 
provided (don't wanna blame Jürgen).

> The reason I am asking about Cebit is that I want to see 
> just how far the work that has been done by the policy 
> group(s) has spread.  Seeing many Assurers clustered at 
> Cebit is a good chance to test how far the new ways of 
> Liability, CPS, dispute resolution, user agreement, etc etc 
> is absorbed into the wider CAcert environment.
>   

Here we come to the training again. That's exactly what I wanna check 
over there. But for know it seems that most of the assurers present 
where involved in those processes (Philipp, Henrik, Dagmar, ...) so we 
have to wait if there are enough "neutral" assurers there. If so, I'll 
provide yoz / the group with feedback ...


> (Obviously, we can write a policy here in the group which we 
> all agree on ... and just as obviously all the Assurers can 
> go off and ignore it totally.  That's an audit problem!!! )
>   

Welcome in my world :-)

Most assurers don't even know that we have such a thing like a CPS ... 
remember: Even after I started to work on the edu stuff, you had to 
provide me the futureware links ... and even at this point I was more 
into CAcert then the average assurer I guess. So this might really be an 
issue ...


> Excellent!  Do you think the work on Testing will be 
> advanced enough to try it there?  Even if it is simulated 
> with pen&paper instead of the self-training tech you were 
> planning ... it would be a good chance of feedback.
>   

The work on the training material is advanced enough so I'll definetly 
try to use it there. The online-testing system: the development will 
start next week (As you know it is part of the final exam of one of our 
IT apprentices, so I had to wait for the project approval by our chamber 
of commerce first) so definetly not ready till CeBIT. And we decided to 
create the system first and then try to match the system capabilities 
with the testing questions. Conclusion: No, the testing will not be part 
of CeBIT. But training should already give us mch feedback and we try do 
"test" by using many examples (but not an offical assurer test).



Greetings
Jens