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Re: [CAcert-Policy] Suggestion for more user interaction


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  • From: Ian G <iang AT systemics.com>
  • To: Policy-Discussion <cacert-policy AT lists.cacert.org>
  • Subject: Re: [CAcert-Policy] Suggestion for more user interaction
  • Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 11:13:26 +0200
  • List-archive: <http://lists.cacert.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/cacert-policy>
  • List-id: Policy-Discussion <cacert-policy.lists.cacert.org>

Drew Lehman - DigitaTech wrote:
I was looking at the policy for becoming a member.  While I now know why
you require 4 eyes on each application, the process may drive away some
potential contributers.  CAcert has, essentially, an OpenSource
environment. To grow the project, it requires a grassroots movement. This means giving people a reason to be a part of the project. Most
people do not want to spend much effort, but may spread things by
word-of-mouth.  The idea of offering people "membership" makes them feel
like they are involved.  However, the sad truth is that most do not want
to do what it takes to be a member under the current definition.  And
honesty, you don't want these people in the current membership status.
I am suggesting a membership class called "associate membership" which
does not have voting rights, nor requires a fee.  This would allow for
people to feel they are tied to the project. A compromise between
members and associate members may even be to allow the associate members
to vote as a group and be counted as a small portion of the membership vote.
Just my 2 cents.

Yes, I think this is an issue. It is too hard to become a members, such that even the association cannot manage the process.

There is however some need for 'gatekeeping'. The association has the power to control and overturn things. How then to make it more appropriate to the needs of the community?

( Unfortunately, we can't do anything active about that right now as we have to do this SGM. After that, it would be a good idea to propose alternates. )

What is the right way then to get people in as members?

One thing I would like to see considered is that members have to be Assurers (new definition, not old: trained and tested).

Another idea is to consider how to bring in more input. E.g., maybe office holders get a "shadow vote" on any big issues. That is, the can vote, but their vote is not binding, only reported to the board / association.

Or, maybe shadow votes for the associate members as you say above.

Yet another possibility: give one vote to each of the foundations. (There is only one right now: Oophaga, but the new German one is to be formed some time.)

(All ideas to throw around. Reminder: right now, we need the members to do the SGM on a tight, focussed basis.)

iang





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