Policy-Discussion

[Teus Hagen <teus AT theunis.org>]

We are dealing with two or three problems here:
1. strings in the name which can be the same. Usually those characters 
are coded in some set, like the umlaut, etc. Philipp summarized some 
examples using his family name.
   Would a by CAcert accepted table help here to solve this? If so a 
matching can be done by the software?
2. subnames in the names: order, middle names, short hands, etc. etc. 
This is difficult to solve?
   Examples: A.B.C.D.E.F IamNuts-Name Married, or Teus Hagen in stead 
of Teunis Hagen (my birth certificate states the "passport" name and the 
"to be used" name (and they differ) (and I use often the name "Theus" or 
"teus" as a lot of people make that typo, etc.
   There are two things here: the CAcert registrated name and the one 
which should be on the cert.
   What you want is a one person - one registration relation.
   Is it possible to have a primary registered name and per name an 
assurance, so the assurer states that all those names have a relation to 
official identification document?
3. names can change and you want to keep old names there: so here is an 
argument to allow more as one name. Adding names to be done via an 
assurance/dispute?

Official identification documents differ on names. The real world will 
differ in names from names on identification documents.

How do governments handle this?
If N persons say that this namje X is you, you are X...
Question: Are certs used for formal identification? (certs do not have a 
picture of the person).

teus



On 09/26/2007 09:03 AM, 
cacert AT gmx.net
 wrote:
> Hy Evaldo,
>
>
>   
> > Hi
> >
> > During the meeting, we came to the fact that currently we don't have a
> > policy regarding names. I think we would need one, because I know or
> > heard about the following situations:
> >
> > - Countries that have strict matching on First Name and Last Name
> > - Countries that have strict matching on First Name, Middle Names, Last Name
> > - Countries that allow you to have 20 first names to choose from at
> > appropriate times
> > - Countries that allow people to have a single name (a first conclusion
> > would be that first name = last name, but it shouldnt appear twice
> > - Countries that have fuzzy matching on First Name (so if you abbreviate
> > >from "Foobarblahblahblah" to "Foozie" its okay, provided that its usual
> > to do so)
> >
> > I have heard some more, but cant remember right now... maybe I will add
> > here.
> >   
> >     
> In Luxemburg we have the situation that name "Paul" (First Name OR Last
> name) could also written "Pol".
> Some spanish names includes lots of middle names from grandparents and
> grandgrandparents and grandgrantgrantparents and so on (Ian mentioned
> it, I had several assured...). If we would include ALL of them the days
> get longer and longer...
> I personaly write all names on the CAP-Form.
>
>   
> > I would like ideas regarding CAcert policy for names, so we can actually
> > serve people without creating more problems than we already have, and
> > eventually solving some.
> >   
> >     
> My idea is that if the name(s) could be verified over at least 2 IDs and
> if there is any doubt several others to proove it that could be enough.
> I didn't think copys of the IDs like thawte practices it would be a good
> idea.
>
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