Subject: Policy-Discussion
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- From: Ian G <iang AT cacert.org>
- Cc: cacert-policy AT lists.cacert.org, cacert-board AT lists.cacert.org
- Subject: Re: SP => POLICY?
- Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 14:23:11 +1100
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On 26/03/2010 15:10, Daniel Black wrote:
On Friday 26 March 2010 13:55:04 Ian G wrote:
Good to see some attention on the SP!
The board also has significant responsibilities under the SP. Their comment
would be good also.
As I mentioned here[1] I have some concerns over:
1. background check of board members
not because of my or any board member's background but because:
1.1 requiring a background check of the board is a decision for the CAcert Inc
members not the policy group
If that were to follow, then the team leader for the critical team can also make that decision.
It the case that policy group wrote and approved a policy that directs or narrows board options. However that's what the policy group's job is. Writes policies, to direct or narrow options across the Community.
The question is, should the board escape the policies because it doesn't like them? Successive boards have agreed with PoP, and the PoP has been ratified by the Association, so the current situation is: the policy group can write a policy that limits the board.
1.2 the board doesn't access personal data or control critical systems. The
exception of root control which is done as a team. The lack of control over
personal data or critical systems means the ABC background check isn't needed.
The issue here is that the board can demand things of its team leaders. And the team leaders can be replaced. By the Board. The fact that the Board might not do that right now is not really at issue; what is at issue is that the critical team leaders work to the board as executive, and there is a clear control mechanism available.
Another way of looking at this is to ask: has a board director ever demanded access to stuff, or told the community that the board is above the community? Yes, and that's what the last SGM was about.
The arbitrators have more important cases than performing ABCs on board
members with limited control over critical data.
2. outsourcing
The requirements here may conflict with our current contracts/arrangements.
They may well do; the job of the Board and Teams is to get them into alignment.
I'm not sure of the difference between outsourcing and service acquisition and
the SP requirements for acquisition of services on non-critical infrastructure
may be too onerous.
SP doesn't really cover non-critical.
For these reasons I've placed these two items on the next board agenda[2].
OK!
[1] https://lists.cacert.org/wws/arc/cacert-policy/2010-03/msg00078.html
[2]
http://wiki.cacert.org/Brain/CAcertInc/Committee/MeetingAgendasAndMinutes/20100403
iang
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- Re: SP => POLICY?, (continued)
- Re: SP => POLICY?, Ian G, 03/24/2010
- Re: SP => POLICY?, Michael Tänzer, 03/27/2010
- Re: SP => POLICY?, Ian G, 03/27/2010
- Re: SP review questions comments and improvements, Daniel Black, 03/25/2010
- Re: SP holes/ questions - root key managment, Daniel Black, 03/27/2010
- Re: SP holes/ questions - root key managment, Ian G, 03/27/2010
- Re: SP holes/ questions - root key managment - board control, Daniel Black, 03/27/2010
- Re: SP holes/ questions - root key managment, Ian G, 03/27/2010
- Re: SP holes/ questions - root key managment, Daniel Black, 03/27/2010
- Re: SP => POLICY?, Daniel Black, 03/25/2010
- Re: SP => POLICY?, Ian G, 03/26/2010
- Re: SP => POLICY?, Daniel Black, 03/26/2010
- Re: SP => POLICY?, Ian G, 03/27/2010
- Re: SP => POLICY?, Mario Lipinski, 03/27/2010
- Re: SP => POLICY?, Ian G, 03/27/2010
- Re: SP => POLICY?, Mark Lipscombe, 03/27/2010
- Whether the Association is under PoP, Ian G, 03/27/2010
- Re: SP => POLICY?, Mark Lipscombe, 03/27/2010
- Re: SP => POLICY?, Ian G, 03/27/2010
- Re: SP => POLICY? (board background checks + outsourcing), Daniel Black, 03/27/2010
- Re: SP => POLICY?, Mario Lipinski, 03/27/2010
- Re: SP => POLICY?, Mark Lipscombe, 03/27/2010
- Re: SP => POLICY? - board background checks - veto motion m20100327.2, Daniel Black, 03/27/2010
- Re: SP => POLICY?, Ian G, 03/27/2010
- Re: SP => POLICY?, Daniel Black, 03/26/2010
- Re: SP => POLICY?, Ian G, 03/26/2010
- RE: SP => POLICY?, ulrich, 03/26/2010
- Re: SP => POLICY?, Faramir, 03/27/2010
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