Policy-Discussion

[Eva Stöwe <eva.stoewe AT cacert.org>]

Hi Alan,

thank you for your feedback.

But I believe I should clarify one point. You are a member of this mailing list - Policy Group - and by this I believe you have a vote. This is what Policy on Policy states.

(It could be questionable if you are not a member of the community, but that would be another discussion.)

Again: Any member on this list has a vote in those topics [maybe with one exception based on a ruling]. This is also why your (plural) feedback is so crucial. Because you will decide.

It's NOT CAcert Inc who decides on policies. It's us. This includes policies on cabinet.

Just for completion, some days ago I also moved the new policy idea into the wiki:
https://wiki.cacert.org/PolicyDiscussions/CabinetOrganisationPolicy

Short form would be COP. (But also the name can be changed, if you have a better idea.)

A comment: I consider to add some part where it is clarified that Cabinet should make decisions in the interest of the community or something the like. But this has to be phrased carefully.

@Alan: I would not mind if you would open the discussion on those options that I have named, or at least those where you have some comment.

Kind regards,
Eva

On 14.03.2017 18:34, Alan Shea wrote:

Eva,

For what my "vote" is worth (I don't have an official vote that I know of on this), but I like the proposal, and I like the direction its going. I think this is worth some discussion. I don't see anything I disagree with, but there are some options you listed that would need some debate.

Alan

On 2017-03-05 18:10, Eva Stöwe wrote:

Hi all,

even as there was no feedback so far, I finished my idea of the cabinet rules (link at the end).

Background:
When I introduced the Policy on Heads of Power (see link below), Ian asked some very good questions:
a) who will be members of cabinet
b) how do they get there

My first (not really satisfying) answer was: leave this with the legal entity, as we rely on them to select board for quite some while, already.

But this probably does not work as well with the perspective of having multiple legal entities. Also it's good to have some idea how it can be.

Further (again) Ian jumped directly on my ideas of
- getting cabinet elected by community
- placing someone from critical teams into cabinet and
- possibly also somehow someone from legal entity side.

He also asked for something that votes or numbers are balanced, so that no group can overrule the others with some third of votes or the like, somewhat comparable to how EU is set up. ... Sounds fair but overly complicated.

And last but not least he proposed election somewhat comparable to what we do for board. But outside of Inc.

Well this was nagging me quite some while, so I had to try.

My solution is:
A) Who is cabinet?
Cabinet will have
- 3-5 members from community side and
- 1 representative from critical team and
- 1 representative from legal entities.

Everybody has one vote. Usually the "regular" members will have majority. BUT critical teams and legal entity together can through in a VETO.

So "regular" members will not be able to decide something that is unacceptable for critical teams and legal entities.

Well and it is simple and nobody needs to count number of special votes.

B) How does one become cabinet member?
1. Critical teams and legal entities should decide themselves how they add their members.

2. "Regular" cabinet members are elected by a public election meeting from members (usually assured members). Assurer may become Candidates.

3. Arbitrators may not become regular cabinet members.

4. The election, process and details of election rules are handled by one or more arbitrators.

TADA! - I used the usual solution: If it is difficult or we don't know, give it to arbitration. :)



... And then I added a lot of checks and balances and clarification based on topics that were relevant in the past.

Comments? (Can also be added in the document.)



Link to cabinet rules:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kQ8eofMjAwLD7V2RNFCyMOX5y2yFpQniXel5TjApVOw/edit?usp=sharing

I try to move them into the wiki, if there is interest (and they stabilise).

Link to Policy on Heads of Power (HoP) proposal:

https://wiki.cacert.org/PolicyDiscussions/PolicyOnHeadsOfPower

Kind regards,
Eva

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