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[Emdy <emdy AT atikotek.com>]

Hi Sam, here you cannot get a fake bank card with photo ID, cause the 
will check your State ID or State Driver license (with photo) first 
before they take another photo which will be imprinted on bankcard, and 
thats why its also an accepted form of ID.
~Emdy.


Sam Johnston wrote:
> Hi Emdy,
>
> The connection between ID and name or photo is not typically required 
> for this security model; provided they have a good handle on the 
> cardholder (typically by signature) and the cardholder says a given 
> photo/name/signature (or combitation of these) is kosher, then it 
> simply doesn't matter. In fact these attributes are only really 
> consulted by merchants when deciding whether to honour a given 
> transaction, acknowledging the risk of a chargeback should they get it 
> wrong. Accordingly many (most?) banks will allow you to tell them 
> anything for cardholder name, photo, signature, etc. Indeed I have 
> been tempted to have a second card issued with a random name, and 
> potentially a random address and phone number too, with a view to 
> increasing my online security.
>
> IMO accepting a (potentially transitive) policy from a given (branch 
> of a?) bank is a non-starter, sorry.
>
> Sam
>
> On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 11:38 PM, Emdy <emdy AT atikotek.com 
> <mailto:emdy AT atikotek.com>> wrote:
>
>     Hi Sam,
>     Bank Card with account holder's Photo embedded into it, can also
>     be an ID, since thats the ID when such card is presented to a
>     cashier. Its also accepted in other wide areas as well. "Bank Of
>     America" is one of them. During creating account, with account
>     holder presence, they will take photo, after ID verification, and
>     then thats what will be used on the bankcard.
>     I would recommend to accept such IDs as well.
>     ~Emdy.
>
>
>     Sam Johnston wrote:
>
>         Do banks really verify the photos? It wouldn't be necessary
>         for this security model.
>
>         Sam
>
>         Sent from my iPod
>
>         On 17 Jun 2008, at 13:13, Teus Hagen 
> <teus AT theunis.org
>         
> <mailto:teus AT theunis.org>>
>  wrote:
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>             Please send this email to the policy email list and see if
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>             teus
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>             On 17/06/08 12:52, 
> website-form AT cacert.org
>             
> <mailto:website-form AT cacert.org>
>  wrote:
>
>                 From: Emdy Ash
>                 Email: 
> emdy AT atikotek.com
>  
> <mailto:emdy AT atikotek.com>
>                 Subject: Asking 2 Gov Issued Photo ID Not Justifiable
>
>                 Message:
>                 Hi, asking for 2 Government issued Photo ID for ID
>                 verification is not justified, at all.
>                 I have few suggestion, those who have or wants to
>                 provide/show only 1 Government issued Photo ID, they
>                 should also be allowed to be verified by the assurer
>                 or 3rd party authority in a different form. There
>                 should be different forms for different number of IDs
>                 and different type of IDs.
>                 I have seen a CA authority, that allows to issue
>                 certificate, only after presenting at least 1 Photo
>                 ID, for up to class 1 certificate with domain name
>                 only, for class 2 and above they require to provide 2
>                 Photo ID.
>                 Some banks (here in USA, and i also believe in other
>                 areas as well) (like, Bank Of America) also issue/put
>                 a Photo of the account holder in their ATM Debit or
>                 VISA credit card, for extra security. That type of
>                 bank verified card with Photo ID, should also be
>                 allowed to be counted as a Photo ID, which is true for
>                 here (in USA, and also in other areas) and countable.
>                 There should be a policy that when someone is
>                 presenting a bank card with photo ID, or other such
>                 trusted photo ID, it will give him/her less point and
>                 privilege than a government issued photo ID.
>                 But forcing to show 2 Photo ID both from Government
>                 issued, will not be right thing to do by such a
>                 community based association/organization like CAcert
>                 Inc. People/Community assisted or based  organization
>                 or association have to think of different level of
>                 possibilities.
>                 Only top government office here (in US) requires and
>                 allowed to request 2 government issued photo id.
>                 Is CAcert such an authority, NO.
>                 For other type of photo id to be counted as valid,
>                 there has to be also related verification process,
>                 like for Bank Card with Photo ID, withdrawing any
>                 amount money in front of an assurer and showing
>                 him/her the receipt with time, date, name without
>                 showing him/her the punching code PIN in an ATM
>                 machine, or go inside the bank and check the validity
>                 of the card in front of a teller/bank employee.
>                 For a school ID with photo, have your assurer present
>                 in front of a school "Administration" authority for
>                 verifying the validity, etc.
>                 But no way an authority like CAcert can force or even
>                 ask for to only present 2 government issued photo ID.
>                 ~ Emdy.
>                 ~ Atikotek.
>
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